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Preface: Currently the white listed jobs are undergoing a face lift, which a lot of people are presently unhappy with as all changes have yet to take effect. Please for the sake of being productive don't discuss those in this thread, as you cannot critique something when you only have a half finished product.

As it stands the world of FiveM's role play is primarily for those with white listed jobs and those who engage with those jobs. These would be police officer, car dealer, mechanics and EMS. You also tend to get role play when doing heroin.

Aside from that the game is car-centric, you make money to buy a nice car. Money > car dealer > mechanic > cops? (lets face it you'll likely be speeding) > EMS (most people can get away with never needing one). Thus role play is limited for civilians, I've been racking my brain for ideas in the hopes of providing a more well rounded RP experience.

 

Ideas:

1. Last I asked gangs weren't really legal or illegal, the verdict was up in the air, one way of encouraging group play and risk/reward for particular illegal jobs that have higher activity (heroin) could be to put AI at the selling point and increasing their hostility. That would also mean turning off the fluctuating price of selling heroin to be more in tune with the risk. Forcing people to pursue other jobs too.

2. Increasing the sale price for meth? it's much more inconvenient to make and sell, currently heroin is mainstream and other jobs don't see that much activity.

3. AI hostility increased at shady locations, for cutting them off in traffic, etc.

4. If gangs were to be legalised, undercover cops and informants would be mainstream. Opening the door for something new.

5. Gangs would have to be white listed and would serve to help train those wanting to be a criminal to do so in accordance with the rules & RP. Some people appear to be uncertain on various things. Take for example something as basic as red lights, a lot of people don't know you can stop at a red light and pass through them and not have to wait the entire duration.

6. Some capacity of training for inexperienced criminals, if gangs don't go ahead? Some are scared of failRPing.

7. Making 90% of civilian cars locked so people can't steal as easily and are forced to use their own cars? Could be good for taxi drivers. Could also sell pick lock tools at convenient stores, so people can steal parked cars but not those being driven by AI.

8. I personally think tuning up the damage of vehicles could be a good idea, nothing too extreme, just so people on both sides of a pursuit are forced into RPing their crashes because they aren't given a choice. This would also see a demand for mechanics.

9. Pet store? https://forum.fivem.net/t/vrp-pets/110137

10. Reshuffling of some businesses to force people up north? I am aware there are some regional changes coming, so I'm not too devastated by this.

11. Is it possible to give random ailments to people so they're forced to seek out a doctor? Even if it's just a message that appears like when you'd inspect an unconscious person.

 

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Business ideas that force people to engage in RP would be nice if anyone has ideas. I've struggled to think of any that would be meaningful. I know a lot of people have talked about gruppe6 security and how they loved it before some changes, I wasn't around here for that, but I would imagine having criminals up to par with cops (in terms of training) or gangs (that don't just go around RDMing) would have the potential to see a demand for businesses needing security. Aside from that lawyers and psychologists?

These are just ideas that are built around the goal of introducing more RP, especially for those who don't have white listed jobs, rather than having the goal to make money to then buy cars and that be it.

Obviously not all my ideas are good ideas and some may not be doable at all. Feel free to critique, elaborate and/or add your own ideas. Keeping in mind the preface.

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Corrected idea 2, it was meth and not cocaine
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I agree with some of you points.

One other thing i would like to add is the the dealerships and the mechanics need to drop the laundering as this stops people seeking out laundering from the likes of the Vanilla Unicorn strip club and the Bahama Mamas Nightclub. This would force people to move more around rather the just going to the one stop shop and also make the Unicorn and Bahamas a place for people to need to go and generate an income in those places.

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That's a great suggestion. I didn't even know they could personally, because everyone always mentions Dimitri or Bob. Now even some other people do it, when they aren't business owners, they just take the dirty money for cheap and then go to a business owner and clean it through them to make a profit. Not sure if that's allowed or not, but it happens.

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1. It is allowed Nyx

2. Technically anyone can clean money if they have someone they can run it through. i.e a business owner

3. If Its a struggle for the Vanilla Unicorn or Bahama Mamas to attract dirty money investors they should work harder to get their business in the first place, its fair game after all. 

4. Dirty money is usually converted (at least by me) at about a 10% charge to cover the risk and provide incentive, so in the end, the profit is mostly negligible, i personally do it for the sake of role play and helping out groups that are willing to get their hands dirty. The more efficiently i can clean the cash, the more reliable and available the source of the cleaning is, the less reluctant people will be to trade with business owners and get their money cleaned, so more people will be able to pluck up the courage to give drug-running a try in the first place, which can create a new dimension of role play and more for the LSPD to manage in terms of busting dealers and searching people, which again, is better for role play and creates a positive, fun environment. 

5. So conclusively, A: i make f*ck all out of dirty money, B: I as a business owner have every right to process cash, C: I should not be penalized simply because i'm a reliable source of cleaning thats so effective i collect majority of the servers dirty money to clean, its basic business, you want to make money with your night club? be more competitive and work for the customer! simple. 

~and its pretty common knowledge in the first place that acquiring a night club as a business will make you next to nothing anyway :)

Anyway, miniature rant over. I hope you guys can both come around to my point of view. I agree with points: 1,2,4,5 and 10, very good points to make! +1 

 

- Dimitri Sergeyev

CEO Of Sokudo Performance

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I think the role of detective should be used more, when businesses are literally advertising laundering it should be investigated hahah 

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10%......OMFG, Blake you are killing these poor people, I know a boss that is it a bit fairer than that, I can't remember his name, JESUS wish i knew what it was.

I like the idea of gangs doing training to help bring those that want to be a little, well you know criminal.

I also like the idea of more hostile AI, I've seen in other servers where there are massive shootouts with the cops and the AI. this would give cops something else to do rather than speed patrol.

Some ideas for jobs ive seen in other servers are:

  • Chop shop (stealing certain AI cars taking them to the chop shop and people can get money back for them, its a list of vehicles that changes every 20 mins)
  • metal detecting down at the beach (people find all sorts of stuff from rings and diamonds to golf club heads and cans, these items can then be sold to a pawn place)
  • Insurance business
  • Selling weed to AI players in certain areas, which takes away the need to stand in a circle and are on the street and can be seen by cops.
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Another thing I've seen is having numbers above players heads removed entirely. Sure it would make people harder to identify if they're breaking the rules, but it would also help for detectives and informants (if more mainstream) whereby people can't just match your digits up with your steam name. If you wanted to keep 

I know you're not meant to, but lets face it, the guy trying to unload 400k+ worth of guns isn't going to take the chance if he doesn't have to. Nor is the guy who's taking new recruits into his gang. Leaving the only real identifiable trait being a persons voice, and we'd all get to enjoy some bad accents.

There is however the significant drawback of making rule breaking easier to get away with.

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21 hours ago, Blake said:

1. It is allowed Nyx

2. Technically anyone can clean money if they have someone they can run it through. i.e a business owner

3. If Its a struggle for the Vanilla Unicorn or Bahama Mamas to attract dirty money investors they should work harder to get their business in the first place, its fair game after all. 

4. Dirty money is usually converted (at least by me) at about a 10% charge to cover the risk and provide incentive, so in the end, the profit is mostly negligible, i personally do it for the sake of role play and helping out groups that are willing to get their hands dirty. The more efficiently i can clean the cash, the more reliable and available the source of the cleaning is, the less reluctant people will be to trade with business owners and get their money cleaned, so more people will be able to pluck up the courage to give drug-running a try in the first place, which can create a new dimension of role play and more for the LSPD to manage in terms of busting dealers and searching people, which again, is better for role play and creates a positive, fun environment. 

5. So conclusively, A: i make f*ck all out of dirty money, B: I as a business owner have every right to process cash, C: I should not be penalized simply because i'm a reliable source of cleaning thats so effective i collect majority of the servers dirty money to clean, its basic business, you want to make money with your night club? be more competitive and work for the customer! simple. 

~and its pretty common knowledge in the first place that acquiring a night club as a business will make you next to nothing anyway :)

Anyway, miniature rant over. I hope you guys can both come around to my point of view. I agree with points: 1,2,4,5 and 10, very good points to make! +1 

 

- Dimitri Sergeyev

CEO Of Sokudo Performance

As you would guess, i disagree. You can make a gazillion amount from the business you offer which comes to your door all the time then launder as well. Then there is some that offer 0% for exchange and even pay more for it. How does this help the economy around town for a lot less profitable businesses. Your theory only helps 2-4 where the change could help 8.

You say "its pretty common knowledge in the first place that acquiring a night club as a business will make you next to nothing anyway" YES in this game and we all knew but in real life it sell alcohol for lots of $$ and launders money like shit. The reason it doesn't make the money because it needs a need for people to use the clubs and you know this. No need to be greedy ;) .

 

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1 hour ago, AK47WA said:

As you would guess, i disagree. You can make a gazillion amount from the business you offer which comes to your door all the time then launder as well. Then there is some that offer 0% for exchange and even pay more for it. How does this help the economy around town for a lot less profitable businesses. Your theory only helps 2-4 where the change could help 8.

You say "its pretty common knowledge in the first place that acquiring a night club as a business will make you next to nothing anyway" YES in this game and we all knew but in real life it sell alcohol for lots of $$ and launders money like shit. The reason it doesn't make the money because it needs a need for people to use the clubs and you know this. No need to be greedy ;) .

 

You're talking about two different things, cleaning your dirty money and/or selling it. You have to work to find someone who's willing to purchase your dirty money because only dirty money can be used to purchase black market goods - in which case there is no exchange fee, because you're not being offered a cleaning service. They're buying it off of you.

A lot of people who aren't business owners will 'claim' to clean your money and take a % off the top, they're not only making money but they're then using it to buy the black market goods they want, or some as I mentioned undercut a person severely and then visit a legitimate business owner to genuinely clean the money, in which case they profit either way.

No service should be free and the standard 10% cleaners take is a much better alternative than the former, where you're susceptible to being ripped off.

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1 hour ago, Nyx said:

You're talking about two different things, cleaning your dirty money and/or selling it. You have to work to find someone who's willing to purchase your dirty money because only dirty money can be used to purchase black market goods - in which case there is no exchange fee, because you're not being offered a cleaning service. They're buying it off of you.

A lot of people who aren't business owners will 'claim' to clean your money and take a % off the top, they're not only making money but they're then using it to buy the black market goods they want, or some as I mentioned undercut a person severely and then visit a legitimate business owner to genuinely clean the money, in which case they profit either way.

No service should be free and the standard 10% cleaners take is a much better alternative than the former, where you're susceptible to being ripped off.

No im talking about cleaning it. The reason i brought up buying dirty money is that PRAE is a business owner (Walker) and is advertising to buy it (which should technically should be investigated by the in game detectives). Walking around buying it or tweeting in game is a different story.

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Well I can tell you that Johnny has nothing to do with it. Jim beam on the other hand, is buying it and NOT washing it, he is stashing it away for a rainy day. 

Jim beam doesn’t have access to any washing capabilities. 

I think you should probably read the advertisements a little more carefully, I’m the only business in town as Johnny that literally doesn’t advertise ‘washing dirty laundry’ in the tweets... your Bahama guys were advertising killing people for money in their tweets lmao 😂😂😂😂😂

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Also, by buying money from people, Jim is helping those out who do not have the same opportunity as a business owner. Jim is helping the economy by providing newer people who don’t have a lot an opportunity to build some equity. Which in turn, if your business was actually creative and had something to offer, they would certainly spend some of that money in your business. Whining about it on the forums doesn’t get people motivated to use your business and services..

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There is no whining just a discussion. We are a new business and things are starting to kick off and we have big things coming. Hell you are our biggest customer ;). This is a discussion about balance and opportunity. Regarding advertising killing in tweets i will look into this as its not on.

 

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I could come down and sing, i know some Mexican songs like  despacito, La Bamba and La Cucaracha. See you there Mang.

 

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